Under-age gambling.

[Dkkgaming]

A recent survey has come out which states 2/5 of 11-16 year old gamble. And is likely to be more if including microtransactions on games. I personally don't have much of an opinion on this relatively on the fence as they are all things that parents can control. 

But some proposed ideas are removing 10p slots from arcade areas to up to 18 year olds and restricting heavily microtransactions on games. 

What are your guys views on these? 

[Mentholdan]

As far as I'm concerned it should be over 18 for ANY cash paying game, including the lottery. In fact I'd ban under 18s from ANY form of gambling. Saying that, getting your 1st choice of secondary school is a gamble 😁

[Barney Gumble]

They could make arcades more like the US where the games are all amusement with prizes. The Japanese have really fun arcades as cash gambling is illegal. Even these crane games are gambling though and can be dangerous if you have a certain gene:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-spent-100-claw-machine-17326579

[JRSC01]

An arcade i went into stated that under 18s are not allowed to play on any machines, even 10p play ones, but i said that it is commonplace that arcades have machines constantly with £5 JP has kids playing them. 

Is it a particular licensing issue for certain places stating that even though there are CAT D machines, that under 18s cant play them?

i was looking here but the site does not specifically state, when or where under 18 can enter but not play machines

https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk

[Dkkgaming]

4 hours ago, JRSC01 said:

An arcade i went into stated that under 18s are not allowed to play on any machines, even 10p play ones, but i said that it is commonplace that arcades have machines constantly with £5 JP has kids playing them. 

Is it a particular licensing issue for certain places stating that even though there are CAT D machines, that under 18s cant play them?

i was looking here but the site does not specifically state, when or where under 18 can enter but not play machines

https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk

So to clarify, 10p slots with a jackpot of £5 is a category D machine and so there is no age limit on the play and so legally people under 18 can play them. With this said however, if an arcade should so choose they don't have to allow people to play them especially if they feel the person is vulnerable to gambling. 

You can read about the age restrictions on gambling here. https://www.onlinebetting.org.uk/betting-guides/gambling-age-restrictions-in-the-uk.html

[Thesav]

I work in the industry, as an advisory BACTA held a meeting where it was agreed the Industry would take a stance on CAT D. It was agreed operators would move CAT D machines so they could only be played by over 18s, or a by an under 18 that has an adult present with them.
 

This decision was made as to try and appease the UKGC and ever growing band wagon so that they wouldn’t hit the industry harder in the near future. I believe by early next year all sites will have this in place.

Personally I don’t agree with it, CAT D income has been declining for years, and they are phasing themselves out. You only really see these machines in coastal areas where amusements have been around for years and are a huge part of British culture. What will they ban next 2p pushers? Redemption machines where you win tickets? All gambling in their own right. 

If the government and the do gooders want to help children in this country I would suggest they do something about the epidemic that is child obesity rather than further decimating an industry that is finding it hard enough as it is.  

[The crisp man]

7 hours ago, Thesav said:

I work in the industry, as an advisory BACTA held a meeting where it was agreed the Industry would take a stance on CAT D. It was agreed operators would move CAT D machines so they could only be played by over 18s, or a by an under 18 that has an adult present with them.
 

This decision was made as to try and appease the UKGC and ever growing band wagon so that they wouldn’t hit the industry harder in the near future. I believe by early next year all sites will have this in place.

Personally I don’t agree with it, CAT D income has been declining for years, and they are phasing themselves out. You only really see these machines in coastal areas where amusements have been around for years and are a huge part of British culture. What will they ban next 2p pushers? Redemption machines where you win tickets? All gambling in their own right. 

If the government and the do gooders want to help children in this country I would suggest they do something about the epidemic that is child obesity rather than further decimating an industry that is finding it hard enough as it is.  

You reap what you sow, the gambling industry has had it so easy in the past ten-twenty years and they blew their opportunity to self regulate by letting the bookies continue to milk their fobt cash cow at the expense of society.

Now the government has been belatedly pushed into action, so they are going to go in heavy handed. In my opinion the industry needs to look in the mirror, this is a problem of entirely their own making.  If the entire industry had only took the issue of responsible gambling seriously the government wouldn't have had to step in.

[ghost22]

2 hours ago, The crisp man said:

You reap what you sow, the gambling industry has had it so easy in the past ten-twenty years and they blew their opportunity to self regulate by letting the bookies continue to milk their fobt cash cow at the expense of society.

Now the government has been belatedly pushed into action, so they are going to go in heavy handed. In my opinion the industry needs to look in the mirror, this is a problem of entirely their own making.  If the entire industry had only took the issue of responsible gambling seriously the government wouldn't have had to step in.

the games dead mate , the horse has long bolted. i was given a job walking the boards in 1984 as a young 15 year old , no machines then , no tvs on the wall , you were lucky if the tills turned on  🙂  there was a speaker in the corner and you got your mark up sheets , a red and blue marker and the little boards that were magnetic with the names of the horse meetings on .it used to be full of local people  , rich people poor people , school teachers , coal men,  brickies  , there was even a priest who i wont name but he loved a footie bet at the weekend  🙂 , every walk of life , there was some incredible banter back then . the place used to go deathly quiet when there was a half a furlong to run and then the cheer when the fav shot 3 clear going to the line , glorious. true story , i remember  marking up one bank holiday saturday , there was about 6 meetings on and the place was packed and i could hardly hear the dodgy speaker , i was going mad trying to keep up with the betting when suddenly the place goes really quiet , i turn and see a guy at the door with a mask on and 2 at the till , snatch style with sawn offs , a robbery , im up on the board with my markers , the prices are still getting shouted so i call out , oi is it ok if i keep marking these prices and the guy looks at me for about 5 seconds nods and says carry on 🙂 , jeez i loved those days , you should see the place now , about 5 16 year old kids hanging around a fotb and about 8 house wives doing the bingo numbers , no punters left , the dog men are long gone , they couldnt get a bet down , nobody bets horses anymore , although the odd  shrewdie is probably on betfair , they used to stand large bets all day long , now its 200 max at sp , 50 on a dog  , iv had an account closed after 3 days online and  i didnt even win ffs buts thats another story . bookies are these days nothing more than  accountants who only want to feed of the skim , bottomfeeders . if they say they cant survive without fotbs they should go back to making books or have there licenses removed . rant over :)

[Thesav]

On 12/4/2019 at 2:47 PM, The crisp man said:

You reap what you sow, the gambling industry has had it so easy in the past ten-twenty years and they blew their opportunity to self regulate by letting the bookies continue to milk their fobt cash cow at the expense of society.

Now the government has been belatedly pushed into action, so they are going to go in heavy handed. In my opinion the industry needs to look in the mirror, this is a problem of entirely their own making.  If the entire industry had only took the issue of responsible gambling seriously the government wouldn't have had to step in.

They did indeed let the FOBT milk the lot, but I’m not sure you can blame the industry as a whole. Hitting the area I work in that tows the line barely seems fair.

The U.K. is pretty much a nanny state now, some of what the UKGC make casinos do is ridiculous. It’s only a matter of time before they go after alcohol now surely. Wonder how the do gooders will feel when they go go to get their bottle of wine and get asked for proof of wealth before they can buy it. The U.K. truly is a joke.

[The crisp man]

1 hour ago, Thesav said:

They did indeed let the FOBT milk the lot, but I’m not sure you can blame the industry as a whole. Hitting the area I work in that tows the line barely seems fair.

The U.K. is pretty much a nanny state now, some of what the UKGC make casinos do is ridiculous. It’s only a matter of time before they go after alcohol now surely. Wonder how the do gooders will feel when they go go to get their bottle of wine and get asked for proof of wealth before they can buy it. The U.K. truly is a joke.

 

Youre right, the industry isn’t to blame for everything the fobts did, but they dramatically increased the amount of problem gamblers as well as gamblers access to the quick high stakes games with little or no responsible gambling or age checks., the wider gambling industry should have and could have put pressure on the bookies, but Gambling companies are powerful groups, they lobbied the government and politicians to prevent change.

There are clearly gambling areas in decline, but the industry itself has adapted and is doing ok, looks at bet 365s chief exec earning £37,000 an hour! 

The uk does have relatively relaxed laws surrounding gambling compared to a lot of countries, unless you count Swaziland.  As I said the tougher laws are a correction to the easements that was created back in 2007 which the wider industry should be blaming on the bookies failure to regulate themselves