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How random are FOBT's, no really?


Stormy

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As somebody who has played and lost 100's of thousands of £'s through these dreadful things, I can tell you for damn sure that they are in no way random but designed purely and simply to relieve you of your money as quickly as possible. Play for long enough (which usually is'nt too long lol) and the same patterns always emerge, massive amounts of consecutive losing spins and a seemingly endless wait for a bonus or sensible payout. These machines are at best a poorly concealed mass scale scam and at worst represent just a flashing piggy bank for the operators with little or no actual consideration given to meeting real world rtp % performance targets. I have lost count of the amount of times I have personally had and seen the 5 Red and Green £2 Megaspins cost over £180 to land on the 100 spins games in Coral and Ladbrokes only to pay either nothing at all or just a measly £1 - £2 total win. These machines represent a blight on the global gambling landscape and an outright affront on human decency and goodwill. Banning them completely would be an entirely inadequate punishment for the vile people who concocted and perfected this evil frankensteins monster of a creation. I would demolish them wholesale and put in place strong laws to ensure that such unfair technology can never ever surface on the UK gambling landscape ever again, they have created misery and poverty on an as before unseen scale and taken down the lives of many good law abiding citizens in the process along their shameless, greed fuelled journey of destruction.

 

I could literally write an entire book on the unbelievably unfair behaviours which these units repeat over and over again in their biased pre-programmed and 'constant' pursuit of consuming more and more money from the people, they represent a disgraceful and unfair tax on the poor, nothing more and nothing less and if proper regulation and real world testing was mandatory it could quickly be proved beyond any doubt that they currently return only a minute fraction of the claimed and advertised rtp percentages to actual real world 'customers', they are fraudulent and that is a stone cold fact which I know from thousands and thousands of losing playing sessions worth of experience. If you must play them then play in William Hill as they represent the best of a bad bunch but take my word for it, there is no 'winning' on these things short or long term . . .

. . . obviously these are just my own opinions based on my own vast experiences gaming on these terminals, form your own appraisal if you must but don't blame me if it proves to be expensive, I'd rather never see these vile creations profit another penny from anyone.

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@Max147 as a man who, like anyone else who’s played FOBTs, has lost overall, I can’t tie your first paragraph together. I think they can be both random and designed to relieve you of your money. The RTP tells you that when you go the information screen. The only way you could possibly win in the long term is by a complete statistical anomaly or if you find a game that’s over 100% RTP which will never happen. I also don’t believe the RTPs are anything other than what they say - they are checked rigorously over millions of spins to ensure that’s what the average is. The fact that I have some days walked away with a profit to me shows that it’s an average payout, and some days you’ll walk away having done a small fortune - just like I have.

I don’t wish to come across as confrontational, I’ve had some hideous sessions on those things but there is a clearly stated house edge and in the end there’s only one winner - and it ain’t me.

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On 10/24/2020 at 2:28 PM, Stormy said:

I know they are random in as much as you can't tell if you are going to win or lose when you start a session. Random should mean every spin should be random (the same chance every time)? Talking to other players in my local bookies almost everybody agrees the more you lose in a session the meaner fobt's get. I know when I go to a bricks and mortar casino luck can turn in a second. Many times I have turned a bad night into a great night in the last half an hour. That never seems to be the case with fobt's, I just turn a loss into a bigger loss the longer the session goes on.

But after 10 years of playing them I am certain they do seem to follow patterns. For instance:

I know if put £20 in and don't get a win or say £40 and hardly get a win or tease, it is nearly always going to be a bad session on that machine.

If I get an early bonus up it often will not pay much.

If I play my favourite slots (Black Knight, Magpie Mayham, 777 Burn'em Up) on £2 stakes, I am more likely to get a decent bonus in after I have lost £50-£100, no matter what slot I have been playing. So playing from cold it normally takes £50-100 of loses for Magpie Mayham to get first bonus in, but it doesn't matter which slot I have previously lost that cash on during the session.

If I am not getting bonus teases not much chance of getting a bonus in.

I am also coming to the conclusion that once the fobt slot awards a bonus, the bonus itself is not random. I can sort of tell after a couple of spins if the bonus is going to be good or bad. i.e. a bonus starting badly does not suddenly start spinning in big wins late on.

Any views, or am I overthinking this?

I remember when they first came out at £1 max spin… at least once a month I would win a £500 jackpot when I used to go to Ladbrokes with my dad. I would give him a share and he would say “don’t tell ya mum” 😂. Since it was increased to £2 I have never won the £500. Seems you have to risk more to win it which I can’t afford . 

 

On 10/24/2020 at 2:28 PM, Stormy said:

I know they are random in as much as you can't tell if you are going to win or lose when you start a session. Random should mean every spin should be random (the same chance every time)? Talking to other players in my local bookies almost everybody agrees the more you lose in a session the meaner fobt's get. I know when I go to a bricks and mortar casino luck can turn in a second. Many times I have turned a bad night into a great night in the last half an hour. That never seems to be the case with fobt's, I just turn a loss into a bigger loss the longer the session goes on.

But after 10 years of playing them I am certain they do seem to follow patterns. For instance:

I know if put £20 in and don't get a win or say £40 and hardly get a win or tease, it is nearly always going to be a bad session on that machine.

If I get an early bonus up it often will not pay much.

If I play my favourite slots (Black Knight, Magpie Mayham, 777 Burn'em Up) on £2 stakes, I am more likely to get a decent bonus in after I have lost £50-£100, no matter what slot I have been playing. So playing from cold it normally takes £50-100 of loses for Magpie Mayham to get first bonus in, but it doesn't matter which slot I have previously lost that cash on during the session.

If I am not getting bonus teases not much chance of getting a bonus in.

I am also coming to the conclusion that once the fobt slot awards a bonus, the bonus itself is not random. I can sort of tell after a couple of spins if the bonus is going to be good or bad. i.e. a bonus starting badly does not suddenly start spinning in big wins late on.

Any views, or am I overthinking this?

I had bigger wins and more £500 jackpot wins when it was £1 max stake when they first came out than when they upped it to £2 stake. I never gambled a lot . £50 a week I would got to Ladbrokes IKEA with my dad. Do some dog tri casts or horse. Then what ever I won or left with I would stick in the machine . At least once a month I would have a good run of £200 odd  or if I was lucky hit the jackpot. 🥳 obviously sort my dad out who would say “do t tell ya mum” 🤣.    Dad passed away jan 2nd last year….  He liked a gamble for fun.  I always took his advise which was “ Bet small…. Win big…” 

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about 3 years ago, I was playing rainbow riches and couldn't get it to bonus, must have took £100 or more to get a bonus feature, can't remember if it was leps or wells now, anyway a guy next to me was playing a number of games, I was talking how l couldn't bonus rainbow riches, he changed his game to rainbow riches and within £20 he got 3 lep bonus, I was fuming inside, but did breathe a sigh of relief when it paid poorly

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The fobts are not random.

How can a random system have a percentage payout that can be changed to what ever they like.

Just fruit machines simple as!

They get away with it because of the pathetic unfit for purpose gambling commission, who couldn't regulate a thermostat. They need to be shut down

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FOBT’s are random , and pay random wins, but over how much money or lifetime of machine is a legal loophole, rtp is important, but saying that you could in theory have a machine that pays 1000% , 10 times what it takes, the vendor wouldn’t lose money it would just give players more what they call in the industry 

play- time, ie constantly returning small wins , let you play with £100 on £1 a spin for an hour or more, at no point would you be winning or not winning much , just winning back most of your money each time. RTP , is just one factor in fruit machines, that’s why machine payouts pay low for 3 of a kind , bit more for 4 and 10 times more for 5 of a kind, most wins on fruit is are small, every time you press the button on £1 a go on machine at 90% the vendor makes 10p if you constantly get small wins and keep playing, he gets to keep more 10 pences ie 10p per spin, 

look at the payout tables on fruit machines, 50p for 3 £1 for 4 

£10 for 5 etc, all designed to keep you playing, 99% of wins are less than 10 times your stake

most money back or double your stake, at 90% rtp and most wins low value, really they keeping most of the money going in machines as punters carry on playing, each time pressing the button at 10p per spin , overall losing 10% every spin on average, in USA, professional gamers wont play machines with low payout tables , regardless of % , as they just constantly pay small wins to keep you playing, thus burning through the percentage. 
% is important, but more important is the payout tables. 
better to play machines on £1 per spin machine set on 80% rtp minimum win £50 than a machine on 95% rtp with win values as low as 50p , 

hope this helps FOBT may be set at 90% but in reality they keep 60% plus of all money put in them, as punters just replay their small wins. 

 

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